Ep.15 Heather Love: Turning Toward Purpose

I’d love to introduce you to my friend, Heather Love.  Heather left a corporate career in pharmaceuticals to claim space for herself and what she loves to do and has not looked back since.  

Heather is a Dharma Coach, a Jazzercise instructor and has her own podcast which you may have heard when she interviewed me a few weeks ago - For the Love of Dharma.  It was such a pleasure to chat with Heather and we talked about so many things about the corporate lifestyle, ways to detox, how to find what lights you up and all the things.

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Jamie Stephens: 0:06

Okay, Heather, thank you for joining me on breaking up with corporate. Heather and I actually met in our podcasting group. And turns out we have kind of a similar story. So I wanted to bring Heather on and introduce you guys to her and everything that she's doing. So Heather, take it away.

Heather Love: 0:28

Thanks, Jamie. I'm so happy to be here. So I am not sure where you want me to start. But yeah, sure,

Jamie Stephens: 0:35

yeah. So tell us what you're doing now. And tell us kind of just a brief version of where you're at now, because we're going to get into a little bit of backstory about, like, how you left corporate kind of your journey that got you to this.

Heather Love: 0:53

Okay, yeah. So currently, I am a Dharma coach, which, if for people who don't know what dharma means it essentially means your life purpose, or your soul's calling. I'm also a fitness instructor. And I am the host of a podcast called for the love of dharma. And leading up to that I was in corporate for 20 years, up until the summer of 2021. And I made some significant shifts in my life. And here I am.

Jamie Stephens: 1:20

That's awesome. So was there a build up with your transition from corporate to kind of figuring things? Like, is this something that you've had on the side that you went into? Or is this? I don't know, I'm gonna pause here for a second. I don't know why I fell out of sorts,

Heather Love: 1:40

hold on. The power

Jamie Stephens: 1:44

line? Like whatever. Okay, where was I even

Heather Love: 1:50

know like, how did I lead up to? To get where I was? Do you wanna? Yeah, Ghana?

Jamie Stephens: 1:56

Yeah. So whenever you decided to leave corporate this past summer, was there like an event that led to that? Or is it kind of a slow build up, like kind of what was your runway into the Dharma coaching.

Heather Love: 2:10

So I was in corporate for 20 years. And, you know, in the beginning, I was quite young. And I was very excited. And I had always been told, you know, go to college, get a good job with good benefits, you can retire, enjoy your life after retirement. And as I kind of went through my life, and I had kids, and I just started to feel this yearning for something bigger and different, and I just wasn't fulfilled in my job. And I worked in a big enough company that you could change jobs in within the company pretty frequently. And so I had over the course of the 20 years, I was there, I had eight or nine different positions within the company. And in the beginning, they always seemed really great. And they were a great fit. And I was super excited. And as time went on, and the longer I was there, I was just like, No, this is the same thing, just different. And so towards the last few years, I was there, I just really started to have this itch of like starting my own business and doing something different, but I didn't know what that really looked like. I didn't have any coaching experience at that time. And I just wasn't really sure where I would go with it, or what I would do or what people would pay me for. And so I stayed and then we were I will stay blessed with the pandemic, because the day that they told us to go home for two weeks, I was like a kid in a candy store. Oh, my God. Thank you. I'm so

Jamie Stephens: 3:54

excited. Oh, I was the same for sure.

Heather Love: 3:57

Yeah. And then it was just like, and then it was another two weeks that it was a month and if they just kept extending it. And every time I'm like throwing a party at my house. And of course, you know, I'm concerned about what's happening in the world. But just from a personal standpoint, I was I was thrilled. And so we ended up working from home for a year and three, four months. We were notified in I believe it was June of 2021 that they were going to have us come back. And I just had this like, feel like this awful, gut sinking feeling of like, oh my God, I don't want to go back. I don't want to go back. And we were told for a little while they would give us a little flexibility because it was summer and so a lot of us had kids that were home and things like that and so but then they said you know come September we expect everyone back five days a week and I just I it did not sit well with me. And so I made the decision. That that was just not something I could do. Because here, you know, I was telling my daughters to do things that they would be proud of, and to do things that they were excited about. And I wasn't doing that. And I thought, well, I'm being a terrible role model here by telling them to do one thing, and I'm doing completely that is like soul sucking, and I hate every minute and I dread every morning, you know, getting out of bed was awful, because I knew I had to go to a place I didn't want to. And so I made the decision to leave. And it was the best decision of my life.

Jamie Stephens: 5:40

That's amazing. Yeah, I can so relate to that. Like I, once I left, I've not set foot back in another office, but like I told my husband, I was like, I'm like a feral cat. Like, I'm not going back. Like it's just not a thing. No, I love that. So how, tell me about the transition, then from making that leap making that decision to like that next step. So like, was it the coaching? Was it like, just Scott on an Instagram page? Like, what was that like next tactical stuff that you did? And kind of how did that transition look like? So what did that transition look like?

Heather Love: 6:24

Yeah, so right, before, like, the couple of months before, we were told we were going to be coming back, I had signed up for a Dharma coaching program through Sahar rose, as well as a business coaching program through Kathy Heller called me to do this. And they were going on at the same time, which was quite a lot. But you know, I was thinking, Gosh, back in school, I would have never survived this, but I hear I was doing two programs, and I had a full time job. And I'm a mom, you know, and all these other things. But it's amazing how much you can do when you're excited about something. Yeah. And so I had kind of already started down this path, because I knew eventually, you know, when I had signed up for these programs, we had not yet been told we were going to go back, but I knew it was inevitable at some point. And I wanted to have something to fall back on. Because it was just, I knew I couldn't stay in that environment. It was so toxic, and I just hated every minute. And so I ended up signing up for these classes. They both started in the May, June timeframe. So by the time I was informed, we would be going back in July, I already kind of was working towards something. And both the program's wrapped up in September. And so you know, it wasn't, it was. It was kind of one of those things where I took a leap of faith because I left in July. And so I didn't have a for sure thing lined up. But I just had to, to kind of trust the universe that something good was coming my way. And I needed to make space because I really felt suffocated by the corporate job. And I knew that if I got rid of that, that it would make space for the good things and the things that I'm really meant to do in my life. And so that's kind of what I did. I sort of didn't really have a plan. I just took the leap. And I was like, alright, well, I'm kind of working towards these other things of starting my own business. And I think I'm gonna be okay, so I'm just gonna go for

Jamie Stephens: 8:35

it. Yeah, no, I love that. I mean, how important would you write Sahara rose and Kathy Heller being your mentors during that time to your belief that you could make it without a plan with just like, You know what, I'm going for it, we'll figure it out. Universe has my back. Like, yeah, I imagine that would just have to be like, 10 out of 10.

Heather Love: 9:01

They were my angels during the this whole process, because every time you know, I had weekly calls with both both of them. And, you know, as a group, and every call I would get on, I just felt this overwhelming sense of Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. This is where I'm supposed to be. Everything is right. And don't you worry, Heather. It's it's all good. Like, we got you. So it was just Yeah, they were completely my angels.

Jamie Stephens: 9:28

I love that. That's awesome. You know, I listened to your initial episode of your podcast that launched yesterday. Thank you all it was just great. And it was so funny because it was like, I really didn't realize like how much overlap there was kind of in our stories with us. Like, I've got a brother that's 18 months older than me. I was the responsible one. I was this at work. I would you know, but you said something that I I could totally relate to and it was how being in corporate like, the anger that was just like the kind of person you became while you were there. And like, I'm curious to know what your experience was because I honestly didn't know how angry and stuff I was until I left. So did you know that you were angry? While you? I mean, like, did you know the weight of it? You know, like, could you was it affecting your everyday life, like with just life?

Heather Love: 10:37

It was. And I didn't realize it. So I, you know, I had been talked to numerous times about, you know, and this was another thing that pissed me off, because it would have never been said to a man, but like, whether you need to smile more at work, I'm like, and I just, you know, I even got in trouble once for I was in a meeting with a VP. And like, she took it personally, that during this four hour meeting, I was not smiling. And I got a I got brought up in a review for me, and I was like, Are you kidding me? So things like that, you know, but oh, my gosh, um, but yeah, I did struggle to just and I'm, I'm a happy go lucky person by nature. But I did over the years, you just kind of get beat down, and all you ever get told is all the things you're doing wrong, you know, and occasionally, they might throw in like a little nugget of like, Oh, good job on this, you know, blow pat on the head, just to keep you going. But, you know, it's just this culture of needing validation by someone else all the time. And I don't think I realized the toll that took on me on a daily basis. And, you know, I would come home from work. And I was like, that was so jaded and angry and unhappy. And, you know, and I feel bad for how I was with my daughters at that time, because I didn't realize how unhappy I was until I was now you know, until I have this new life going on, you know, but every night, I would come home from work, we would have kids activities, homework, whatever we had to do. And then after dinner, I would fall asleep on the couch every single night because I was exhausted. You know, and, and during that time, I was drinking not, you know, not a time, but I probably drink every night just to kind of numb the the, you know, just the angst that I was feeling and I haven't had a drop of alcohol since May. You know, so I just, it's just a whole different vibe. I don't need it. I'm so like, in love with my life now that I don't have anything I need to numb, you know, and so, so awesome. Yeah. So just as a different a different Heather and I to answer your question. I didn't realize it in the moment. I had people who tried to tell me, and I was like, Yeah, whatever, you know. And now though, now that I'm out of it. I can look at, I can look back and be like, Wow, yeah, I was this sad. girl that was just really angry at the world.

Jamie Stephens: 13:24

Yeah, I can so relate to that. So tell me what does this new life look like? Like, what? What does life look like these days? Like your your day versus what it did? Yeah. I mean, like, let's be done with what it was like, What is it now.

Heather Love: 13:43

So this new, beautiful life that I live is just so amazing. I wake up every morning, before my alarm. Most of the time, I usually wake up between five and six in the morning without an alarm. I always set an alarm just so you know, because I do have things I want to get done during the day. But I'm always up before the alarm. It is a very rare occasion that I sleep until the alarm goes off. I'm just so excited to start the day. And in the mornings, you know, it depends on so I'm divorced. So some some mornings I have my girls and some mornings I do not. So things the order of things might get switched around a little bit. But I try to meditate every morning I journal every morning, I read a book, an actual book every morning, sometimes it's on Kindle or whatever, but actually take some time to read. You know, I am forever a student and I just want to keep learning. And so I really just take that time to connect to spirit and say, you know, what do you want me to do today? Like what what's important and that's just such a beautiful way to connect to my higher self and to you know the universe and it's just a whole different vibe than having to like rush around and hurry up and do all these things. And you know, and then I work out every day, I will say, five to six days a week I work out. And it's just to me so important to move your body and just get get that energy moving around. And I prefer to do it in the morning, if I can, sometimes life happens, and I don't have to until later, but that's okay, too. You know, and then, and I do I, I, I still I take a ton of classes, I have coaching sessions with people and I meet with them. I recently became a fitness instructor. So I'm learning routines, and you know, so I really just do things that light my soul up, I create art, I try to take at least a couple days a week and spend an hour or two just making something with my hands, because I just think that's so important for getting the creativity moving and you know, creating that space that I was talking about before and your mind. So. So yeah, that's kind of what my day looks like. And I just I wake up excited to start every day. And it's such a different feeling that I just actually wrote in my journal this morning. The first sentence in my journal was I didn't know life could be this good.

Jamie Stephens: 16:18

Oh, how good does that feel? I mean, like, amazing. That's amazing. So tell me about how you, you get to do that. Tell me so tell me like the transition to knowing that that's what you wanted to do. As being a Dharma coach as following your your life, and just going for Jazzercise like doing all the different things like tell me like how, like, in practical terms, like how does one get there? So like, what was your journey, like, from the time you left corporate, like financially from from there to now?

Heather Love: 17:08

So I hadn't really planned to leave corporate in his quickly as I did. And so I ended up taking money out of my 401k. You know, I had been a company for 20 years. And so I did have some money put away, thankfully, because I was the person I was living paycheck to paycheck, you know, I didn't have a lot of in the bank, you know, savings was non existent. You know, when people talk about, you need to have six months and your say, I didn't have that, you know, and so, but I did have a 401k. And I was like, Okay, well, I know, there's this huge penalty to take the withdrawal. And I don't care.

Jamie Stephens: 17:52

It's like fake money, almost, you know.

Heather Love: 17:58

And, you know, when I looked at how much I had in, in my 401, I was like, I'm gonna be okay for a little bit, even if I figure nothing else out, even if I never get another paycheck ever. And I had pretty much decided when I left that job, that I would never work for someone else ever again. Unless it was like in the capacity now that I teach Jazzercise, like the To me that's a different, it's just a whole different vibe. It's not this Officee business, corporate worlds. You know, if I'm going to work for somebody else, that's going to be fun. Yeah. And so I, I did, I took this loan, and I was like, Okay, so I'm going to give myself a little time to just kind of rest in and recuperate and get my certifications. So I, you know, I've finished the Dharma certification and the business course, so they racked up a couple of months after I left my job. So I really just took that time to be a student, and to be a mom, like, I got so close to my daughters. And, you know, again, like I didn't know we could have the relationship that we do now. Because I didn't have the capacity to be present with them the way that I am now. And I really, I don't have my brain in 5 million places at any given time, I can really just sit and be with them and have a conversation and it's made the whole, our whole relationship is different. But so I took her a couple of months to just be a student and to just, you know, kind of reset my system. I had severe adrenal fatigue and just, you know, I feel like anyone that works in that type of setting does have adrenal fatigue, whether they know it or not. And so it really my body's sort of just needed some time to decompress. And so, once we had graduated from the Dharma coaching, we they had given us so much information and come bind with the information I got from me to do this with Kathy. I was like, I absolutely felt ready. And I put myself out there immediately as a coach. I was like, Yep, I'm a coach. And I felt like I had all the tools. We had a lot of practice hours that we had to get under our belt in order to graduate. And so I never questioned like, Am I ready? You know, I had a few moments maybe of imposter syndrome. But it didn't last long, because I could see how much I had grown during my time. And so I started to just put myself out there. And you know, I know Kathy and I know you've talked about it too, but just doing it messy, like, okay, maybe things aren't perfect, but just putting things out there letting people know, I'm here for you. And, you know, that has just made such a difference just connecting with people I would have never connected with. And, you know, it's kind of just following the breadcrumbs. And so I thought maybe I would do a podcast someday, you know, but then then there was this podcasting course. And I was like, Wow, maybe that sounds fun. And so you know, I just I just keep doing what feels good. And what sounds fun. Because ultimately, if they were not here for a very long time on this planet, and if it's not fun, what's the point?

Jamie Stephens: 21:21

Yeah. I love that. And I love the the confidence or probably at that stage, maybe the courage to really like, bet on yourself to, you know, take the money from the 401k. And of course, like, just the relationship you've gained with your daughters. I mean, that's priceless. I mean, it's like, you can't get that time back. And so absolutely, like good for you. Like, that's really awesome. Yeah,

Heather Love: 21:50

if even if nothing else ever worked out from this, the relationship that I have with them was worth every everything was worth. I mean, it's just, I've loved them so much. And I always have, but I don't know that. I always appreciated that because I was so stressed out.

Jamie Stephens: 22:10

Yeah. No, and I think that that's, that's really vulnerable to say, I mean, like, I get that as a mom, that we're supposed to have this bond, you know, no matter what, but I mean, it's really it really is something that you have to work for. It's not just automatic all the time. So I got, I've got four daughters. Do you have two or three?

Heather Love: 22:36

I have two. I don't know how you do for

Jamie Stephens: 22:40

me, there's just got one left in the house now. But yeah, there was a time where we had one in elementary one in middle school, one in junior high and one in high school. And that was like a

Heather Love: 22:51

doozy. I can only imagine with with only one left in the house. There's nobody for her to fight with at least so. Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie Stephens: 23:04

So tell me about your coaching business. Like what is what? What does it look like to go to be coached by you? Like, what is that process? Like? What is your favorite part of it? What you know, kind of, what do people like? What's an experience?

Heather Love: 23:23

Yeah, I don't know if I can say a favorite pardon. I love it all. I mean, I love it when my clients when or when they have like this aha moment. Like, that's, that's always amazing. But you know, so for me, I always start out with what we call a discovery call. And it's usually a short 15 to 30 minute call, where we kind of talk about where the client is at and what they're hoping to get out of the experience. You know, life coaching is sort of this huge, broad topic that can cover a bazillion things. And so really, where my area of expertise is, is for people and I, I've only worked with women, and I think it it plagues women more, that women feel kind of lost, and like they're supposed to be more to life than what they're currently experiencing. And you know, I was in that same place. And so I help people to sort of rediscover themselves so that they can start living their purpose. And so it's really not about like, you know, any traumas they have, or you know, that they're fighting with their spouse or, you know, there's all these things right. And so I really hone in on what, what is their purpose, and how can they move forward with that. And generally, if we decide to work together, and it's not always the fit, whether it's for them or for me, you know, again, sometimes if they're looking for something that's different, it's not necessarily going to be a good fit for either one of us. They're not going to get what they're looking for, and I'm not going to be able to help them but I Have I have different packages, the most common package that I offer is a three month package. So I meet every week one on one with my client for 12 weeks. And we kind of just go through different aspects of where they're at, you know, we do touch a little bit on their childhood, just in terms of, what did you like to do as a kid, what was fun, you know, and things like that to kind of refresh their memory, because as adults, we tend to start taking things really seriously. And we just forget how to have fun. And so to me, that's really important to bring that back. And then also helping women realize, you know, the, the biggest thing that I hear over and over and I get it, because I was there was not having the time, and not having the energy to be able to put that back into themselves. And so really getting people to understand how important that is. And it's sort of like the, the airline oxygen mask, you know, you can you put your put your own on before you can help others because really, if you're not, if you're not looking at your own self care, you're not going to be good to anyone else, you know, and so really looking at that, and then ultimately, like, what is their purpose? And how can they do that every day, whether it's for a career or not, because not everyone chooses to have their purpose, be their career, but a lot of people choose to because it just makes life a little bit easier. And so that's sort of the process and really getting people to a place that they feel good. And they're looking forward to what their life holds versus this sense of dread of, I don't know where I'm going, and there's no help for me. And, you know, I'm never gonna, I'm never gonna amount to anything.

Jamie Stephens: 26:55

Yeah. What a valuable service. I mean, that has to, like, feel good for me, you know, it's like, win win.

Heather Love: 27:03

Yeah, absolutely. I had a couple clients recently, you know, one, she was kind of going through some stuff where she, she had always wanted to own her own home. And she just had this kind of limiting belief from childhood that women should not own homes. And so she ended up by the time we were done working together, she bought her first home by herself on her own first woman in her family to own a home. So, you know, stuff like, that just gives me chills, because it's like, Yes, that's what it's about, you know, and for her, her purpose, you know, she's got multiple purposes, but like, one of them was to, like, break through those barriers and show her daughter what was possible. So, you know, just stuff like, that's amazing.

Jamie Stephens: 27:50

I love that we live in a time that we have, for the most part as a society, the capability to thrive, you know, I mean, like, to where it's like, you know, our basic needs are, for the most part, met. I mean, obviously, there's a lot of suffering and that sort of thing. But like, the population as a whole, I feel like, you know, it's amazing, what kind of barriers you can break whenever you start, really learning to own your own power and stepping into that and breaking these generational kind of just limiting beliefs that have just been on cycle. You know, it's that's such amazing work. I really like that.

Heather Love: 28:38

Yeah, and, you know, I think a big part of it, too, is really having some sort of gratitude practice, you know, we can focus on what's not working all day long. And to be able to kind of every day, whether you do it in the morning or at night, or both, you know, it doesn't matter. But really just sitting down and going, what am I grateful for today. And, you know, I write down some, at least a couple of things everyday that I'm grateful for, and it could be had a good night's sleep, or I'm so grateful for this cup of coffee, because it tastes so good this morning, or, you know, things like, I'm grateful that my daughter feels like she can come talk to me about, you know, big, big questions, big things that are going on, you know, teenagers have a whole different world than we had when I was growing up. And so you know, things like that. So, but if you look at what it's working in your life, it's just going to attract more of that into your life. And so I think that's really important for everyone to understand. Because when you when you focus on what's not working, then that's all your mind just keeps playing over and over and repeat. So by bringing in what you're grateful for, it just draws more of it to you.

Jamie Stephens: 29:48

Yeah, no, I totally agree with that. I I'm very mindful of my gratitude practice and kind of how that shows up in my life and it's one of those things where it's not ingrained, like my meditation practices to where it's just like I do it regardless, like no matter what. But man, I sure notice when I miss it, it's all like, wow, like, it's just, it's just a whole different energy, I want to go back to something you said you help your clients with. And that's like discovering what they liked to do, like, what brought them joy whenever they were little. And I want to know what that was for you like, what was it that you like to do when you were little?

Heather Love: 30:32

Oh, my goodness, I have so many things like, and it took me a long time to kind of remember because, as I said, you know, we have jobs and responsibilities and kids and bills, and you know, all of these other things. And we just, we forget, and that's something I do hear a lot from from women is they don't know, you know, when I asked them, what did they like to do, and they just they don't know. But I have a lot of things I could name off a whole bunch. But you know, one of the things I absolutely love to do was dance I and you know, and now of course I see that unfolding in that now I'm teaching Jazzercise so you know, it's like it's just, it's circling back. I loved to be creative. So I used to make floral arrangements when I was younger, you know, and now I do all kinds of art I make different things my newest and most recent love is what they call junk journaling. And so I you know, I love to take paper and make it pretty into stickers and like all the things like I love to stickers as a kid. And now as an adult, I'm playing with stickers, I'm actually in March, I'm teaching a mindfulness class workshop on you know how to be in the present moment. And I'm bringing in this whole junk journaling process because you really are present. When you're making art, you know, and you're not thinking about the 10 million other things that you're doing, you know, that you have going on in your life, you're really focusing on what's right in front of you. So yeah, so some of those things. It's just funny because as a kid, I loved it. And now as an adult, I get to do them.

Jamie Stephens: 32:08

That's so fun. I'm trying to think of the all the stickers that I did when I was little, and I think we're about the same age, but it was like all the brightly colored like sticker books. Do you know who I am talking about the there's a name like, I just can't even think of it.

Heather Love: 32:30

I don't I don't remember a specific name, but like I love to scratch and sniff ones and like, you know, and like having the sticker books and even like when my kids were younger, buying like the read the what are they called? Like the Reese? stickable stickers, like, they have the book and then you can like you could take the sticker of Elmo and you could put them in a park or you could buy the dentist or you know, whatever. I loved all that stuff as a kid like, but yeah, I think the scratch and sniff were my favorite.

Jamie Stephens: 32:59

Oh, yeah, that's her way fun. Yeah, I remember so many of those. Lisa Frank. That's what I was trying to remember. You have to make some Lisa Frank. Yeah, no, I've seen your I've seen your what are they called Junk pages?

Heather Love: 33:16

Is that junk journaling? I share on art journal, you know, it's just I mean, there's a million different names. But yeah, it's or, you know, like, my kids call it scrapbooking, which isn't it's not scrapbooking in the traditional sense in that like, you know, when scrapbooking very first became a thing it was like you would take actual pictures and put them in there. And now it's it's you can it's just not most people don't you know, but yeah, junk journaling or art journaling is kind of what it's known for.

Jamie Stephens: 33:45

I love that you're weaving that into, like, mindfulness practice, because you do just, I mean, I feel the same way about puzzles too. Like if I'm gathered around a table, it's just like you can it's a place to zone out and your brain is like so focused on what you're doing that it's a nice break.

Heather Love: 34:03

I actually have a Harry Potter puzzle I'm working on right now.

Jamie Stephens: 34:07

Oh, we could talk Harry Potter for days. Oh, man, who is your if you were? Which house are you?

Heather Love: 34:18

I got my kids had me take a thing. I believe I am Hufflepuff I believe? I think it's either that or Ravenclaw. It was one of the it's not Gryffindor and it's not slithering. So I think it's Hufflepuff but I'm not sure.

Jamie Stephens: 34:34

Yeah. No, I like that. The way you like to read and stuff. Maybe Ravenclaw. If that was your option, maybe?

Heather Love: 34:42

I can't remember my kids would know they remember it's funny. I always I always have to ask them. I'm like, what else am I again?

Jamie Stephens: 34:50

Like this. Alright, Heather. Go ahead and tell us about your podcast and kind of what your vision is for that so we can people can find you there. as well,

Heather Love: 35:00

yeah, thanks for asking. So it's called for the love of dharma, I'm really excited about it, it's gonna be a combination of interviews that I have with other people as well as some solo episodes. But it's really talking about how to live life on your terms. You know, I think we go through life with, you know, the shoulds, and the half twos. And to me, it's really become important to do what lights you up. And so I will be talking to people who kind of have a different perspective on life, whether that's, you know, through human design or reading Akashic records, or they use oracle cards to kind of, you know, talk about what's happening in the world, I really love astrology. So really anything that I find interesting, I'm going to bring on some guests to talk about those things. And I really just want to expand people's minds a little bit, because they think, you know, we just don't know what we don't know. And so by having people come on that sort of have this different perspective, it might trigger something within people in a good way where they might be interested to learn more about it, and it can just enhance their lives. And so I just really want people to see that there is something bigger to life than, you know, the kind of the traditional path, and that there's all these different opportunities for us to learn about things and to have fun, and find things that are interesting, and go explore those a little bit more so that we can have a say in how we live our lives.

Jamie Stephens: 36:41

I love that. Yeah, it's funny, because it's like it is. Sometimes whenever you get into this work, it's like drinking from a firehose, you know, it's like, if you would have said some of those things like those topics to me, even like, a year ago, I would have been like, What the hell is she talking about? Human Design and Akashic records, like all of these things, but

Heather Love: 37:05

now I looked at still some people.

Jamie Stephens: 37:08

Yeah, no, I can. Yeah, no, I totally get that. But I think it's just as more and more people just kind of like, This is who I am. This is what I love. This is what I enjoy. This is what this is how I do life. Now. You know, I think the more people that just kind of own that, the more that that's gonna just replicate, because it's that permission to be like, oh, like, there's another way?

Heather Love: 37:31

Yeah, just getting permission to be you. Like, really? Isn't that what we're all looking for?

Jamie Stephens: 37:36

Yeah. I love it and get paid for it. Bonus. All right. Well, thank you so much, Heather. And I will link all of the places that people can find you within the show notes. If you want to go ahead and tell people where that is. And then I'll make sure the links are put in there.

Heather Love: 37:58

Yet the best place to find me is Instagram at I am Heather love, and I have a link in my bio that people can, you know, sign up for a discovery call if they think they'd be interested in working with me. And then the link to my podcast. And so yeah, so thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate it.

Jamie Stephens: 38:15

Awesome. Thank you, Heather. Okay,