Ep.32 Authenticity is Profitable

What does it look like when you show up in full authenticity in your life and business?   Unlike many of my guests, Gisele actually LOVED her corporate job and thought she'd be there forever.  When someone from her team was going to have to get cut, Gisele volunteered herself so she could finally process the personal tragedy she'd experienced.  

Gisele Gambi is a business and life coach as well as a fellow podcaster who's been helping people connect with their intuition and authenticity to create profitable businesses and lives.  

In this episode, you'll learn about:
1. How authenticity plays a role in your health and finances
2. How to move through the darkest days to something that feels better
3. The power of the ripple effect

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Transcript

Gisele Gambi: 0:00

Anyway, that was that was my body's saying to me you are in the most incongruent place right now. And luckily I saw that right. And I listened to it. And I said to the guys, a few weeks down the track I have to leave, which caused more chaos. But it was the perfect decision. And I then went through a couple of months of being really angry, and dark as well, I went through a hopeless and helpless moment, but this time I got really angry. And I learned that anger held in the idea that there's a bigger picture unfolding is actually really powerful. It's a higher emotion than despair, right? I mean, anger, right? Right, because I got to own up to I was so being powerless. So being powerless, and so listening to everybody else. And so I took my power back.

Jamie Stephens: 0:50

Thanks for tuning in to another episode of Breaking up with corporate each week I chat with everyday women that ditch their nine to five to bet on themselves. We break down their journey into entrepreneurship, unpack the lessons learned and create the vision of how this life gets to be if you're willing to get uncomfortable and step into your potential. I'm your host, Jamie Rene, to time corporate escapee and coach to burnout women looking to plan their escape. Let's go. Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Breaking up with corporate today I have Giselle can be on with me. And Giselle is a business and life coach as well as a fellow podcaster Welcome to the show, Giselle.

Gisele Gambi: 1:37

Thanks so much, Jamie. Thanks for inviting me to come onto your podcast.

Jamie Stephens: 1:41

Yeah, for sure. Okay, so let's just jump right into it. I know that you have actually been out of corporate for many, many years. But why don't you go ahead and tell us about what you were doing before you kind of left the corporate environment and the quick version of how you got here now and then we'll just kind of dig into it.

Gisele Gambi: 2:02

And do the quick version? Oh, yeah. Let's say, so I have been out of corporate since 2002, actually. So what's that? That's 20 years. Oh, my God. So it's interesting, because your podcast is called breaking up with corporate and I never meant to break up with corporate. Yeah. So I'll start with that. So I was in human resources. I was working in five star hotels in Starwood Hotels, they don't exist anymore. So Sheraton, and four points and W hotels back then. And it's really happy to be honest with you. I was my last position was I was HR director for three hotels. And I remember actually, when I would welcome new staff, I would say, I think I'm going to be doing this forever. So breaking up with corporate was never in the plan. So the short version, and as you said, we can go deeper later, is that I had a massive personal crisis that catalyzed the breakup with corporate and that is that I had a really bad marriage. And then I was pregnant, and then my baby died when he was 11 days old, that completely shook me up. And then that marriage broke up. And I decided to go in do a counseling course, whilst I was still working in corporate. And then in 2002, my best male friend said to me, you've got to do this course this, you know, personal development course, you've got to do it. And I'm a Torian. And I hate to be told what to do. It took me a while to actually actually ended up being in his house, and he had the teacher there. And so I thought, Okay, I'll go and listen to him. And anyway, I signed up that night. And so it was through doing that course and really remembering that I've always been intuitive, but I'd never really owned it. And it was through an intuitive process that the message to leave my job arrived. And do you want me to just go there now? Or how do you want to do

Jamie Stephens: 4:02

it? Yeah, let's just do it. I knew some of your I knew your backstory. I don't know why I said the quick version, because obviously, there's no quick way to, to really tell this story. So yeah, let's just get into it.

Gisele Gambi: 4:13

Okay, thank you. Thank you. So I was doing a piece of writing, which is basically a piece of writing you go into meditation to start with, so you log off the rational mind. And some people call it stream of consciousness writing. So you basically just start writing any write rubbish, right? I don't know what I'm going to write about. I don't even know what why I'm doing this, blah, blah, blah. And then you start getting into the groove. And, you know, this might feel a little bit out there for some people, but I felt like my son Joshua, was coming through and speaking to me, which should really never happened before. And so I started writing and, you know, after a while, and he said to me, there was a peace in that that he said to me, you're here to ignite people's spirits and hearts. That's what you did for me and 11 days was all I needed. And now I Do the same to you. And I was like, I was blubbering, like, completely overwhelmed emotionally. And it continued on Ed even spoke about, you know, meeting, my future husband would find me, which is exactly how it happened. I completed that writing, I had no idea what that meant. Absolutely zero idea what igniting people's hearts and spirits meant. But I felt this, I felt compelled that I had to leave my HR job, because I felt that if I went back into it into normal life in inverted commas, that piece would just get swallowed up and be forgotten.

Jamie Stephens: 5:39

How long was it that you did that writing between whenever he had passed, and that point, it was

Gisele Gambi: 5:46

three, three years since he had passed that I did that piece of writing. And then I think it was about a year on that I broke up with my job. So I held I held this, these words, and I had the intention of leaving. I didn't really tell anybody about that. But I was with it. I was not ignoring it. And then synchronicity happened. And my boss came to me one day and said to me, we need to make somebody redundant in your team. And so I said, Pick Me. So made it very easy for them, which was great. And so that's what happened. But I mean, I felt so stupid, really, because I remember going to lunch on my last day with the general manager, you know, which was very nice of him to take me to lunch. And he was asking me, What are you going to do, and I could not describe it, because I didn't know. I really felt stupid. And my parents, my brothers, you know, they've gone down the traditional path, you know, in the banking world, and very high up in the banking world. And my parents, in my perception revealed that. And so when I told them, I was breaking up with this job, and my next job was, I was being groomed for a regional role. So in my parents eyes, you know, that was amazing. And here I am saying, You're here to ignite people's spirits and hearts. The hell does that mean?

Jamie Stephens: 7:09

Not really stupid, right? asked your mind lost.

Gisele Gambi: 7:13

Exactly. Have you lost your mind that's exact, especially with the crisis that it just happened. I think people really worried for me. Anyway, I trusted it. And what I did was I meditated every day. What does it mean? What does it mean? What does it mean? And then I think it was six months down the track, that I saw what that meant. And what that meant was when I did that personal development program, it was one of those I know, it sounds corny, but it did change my life. Because it taught me that I create my reality. And up until that time, I'd been a victim to my reality.

Jamie Stephens: 7:49

Well, yeah, I mean, it's it to go down that path for sure. I mean, yeah, story, right. Imagine the, the path. I mean, I don't even want to, you know, I mean, it's, I mean, that's just something that, you know, no parent ever wants to think about or consider. And no, I mean, I don't have words for that. So just keep going.

Gisele Gambi: 8:10

Okay, okay. Thank you. So, yes, I learned that I create my reality, I learned that it's who I am being behind what I'm doing, that is actually creating my reality. And I never had seen up until that point that I had all these had this, you know, pretty ensconced belief that I'm unworthy, and I'm unlovable. And so of course, I choose a man who's going to prove that right. So you know, he was really unfaithful, and he was physically and emotionally abusive. And so that that was the perfect scenario, if you like, for me believing that I'm unworthy and that I'm unlovable. So when I learned that, to step outside of victim mode, and take responsibility, 100% personal responsibility for the reality that I had lived, I was free. And so I'm then made a connection to corporate, and especially to HR. Because in those days, a lot of what I was dealing with was I was dealing with people in conflict, and no responsibility. And I thought, wow, wouldn't it be amazing if I brought this to Corporation? This notion of taking right I've taken 100% personal responsibility,

Jamie Stephens: 9:23

what that would be for corporate America. What? What

Gisele Gambi: 9:27

a game changer. So that's where it started. So I, when I saw that, I wrote a program that lasted for six months. And in my very in it really, I was quite innocent, very innocent. Which is a beautiful thing, actually. When we break up with corporate because we need a sense of innocence in a way that doesn't mean naivety. It just means, you know like bright eyed and bushy tailed and that enthusiasm really created my first gig So I had created this PowerPoint presentation that I wrote learned totally inauthentic. Totally not trusting myself, right. I remember sitting in front of my mom and you know, having my first laptop and rote learning this PowerPoint presentation in front of her. And I called up several of my friends who I knew had small businesses. And then one, which was a financial services company, he said, come in and tell us about the program. And I shared it in my wrote lert way. And they said, I said, Okay, let's do it. Yes, my first gig was, I think there was 15, financial services advisors that I took away for four days originally went away to this to wine country in Australia to the Hunter Valley. And I remember doing a pilot program before that, because I wanted to test this out. And it was mainly women on that program. And they said to me at the end, we love I mean, they loved it, right? I mean, they had massive personal transformation, but they said, we're really concerned for you, because the financial services industry is full of men. And men aren't going to open up. And you know what? That was so wrong. It was not true. I remember being just in the introduction, we were sitting around in a circle. And we got to the, to the third person, and he just started sharing, like, who he is and why he's there. And he started crying. Whoa. Yeah.

Jamie Stephens: 11:23

I mean, that's like, I mean, especially when we're talking like 20 ish years ago, or something.

Gisele Gambi: 11:28

I know, it's a different world now. Yeah, it's a different world to what it was then. But it was amazing, because that just showed me that I was in the right place. Yeah, and ended up working with him for a couple of years, actually. So that's how it first started. And then it actually morphed, because the people on that program, because they had such a massive transformation, they said to me, could I please put on a program for their life partners, you know, husbands and wives. And so we did that. And the actual the bowl ended up rolling more easily down that personal road road, then going into corporate and bringing this to corporate,

Jamie Stephens: 12:05

you know, but still, I mean, if you're working with all of those types of people, eventually, the goal is to like, have it seep into into corporate America, right is the Yes, or thing personally.

Gisele Gambi: 12:19

And, you know, in the long run, what because this is this is, I guess, significant for your podcast, what ended up happening as a result of that, a few years down the track is that they broke up, many members of that team broke up with their jobs, even the head. And he went and did what he loved. Or two heads, actually, they went and did what they loved. And some rose, you know, really rose, and and absolutely were, and still are, where they meant to be, and other people went and followed their passion. So it's not much of a sell point is it? Let me come and run this program for you. But more than likely, a lot of you kind of break up.

Jamie Stephens: 13:04

You'll learn how powerful you really are. And you'll realize you don't need this job.

Gisele Gambi: 13:09

Yes, exactly. And I have to say that the two heads of their company were so gracious, and so trusting because in the bigger picture, because they were willing to let go. I mean, that's a massive thing. A massive thing. Well,

Jamie Stephens: 13:22

I mean, that's like, that's the sign of a true leader, right? I mean, for someone, it's a shame that they went and left corporate, because those are the kinds of people that we that we need. But you know, it's those people that realize there's that personal responsibility and that personal growth and that everybody's on their own path. And, you know, I want someone cheering me on whenever you go and find that thing that you love. So yes, I love that they were so involved.

Gisele Gambi: 13:50

Well, one of them went and followed. Absolutely. He's passionate. He went into art. And he makes incredible exhibitions here in Sydney. And he's really well known now. But the other one actually became consultants. So he is bringing the love, if you like to corporate, like, yeah,

Jamie Stephens: 14:06

so at what point did the other part of that, I don't know if you call it a vision, or like what the call to if it's audible, as far as meeting your husband, your husband coming to you? And that whole journey? How long? Tell us about that story?

Gisele Gambi: 14:22

Oh, this is this isn't this is a crazy story. So this is now 2000. And I so it's 2002. So the same year that I was on that personal development program and that my son had written to me, he said to me, something like I can't say exactly the exact words but it was something like don't worry, he will find you because I was so hopeless and helpless at that time. And I had lost lost the plot there a bit, you know, started going out a lot and drinking and meeting guys and just going down the wrong path there. And so he said, Yes, he'll find you so I was not meant to be out this evening. but an old work colleague happened to come back to Sydney unexpectedly on a Friday. And so I went out. And this was very late in the in the evening or morning was probably two o'clock in the morning at a nightclub. But I have to give you the backstory because it's more interesting on my husband's side. So my husband, his first girlfriend, his childhood sweetheart, he remained friends with me, he still does remain friends with. And she said to him, a couple of months before we met, there's a girl that I'm working with that you have to meet. And so he said, you know, sit up, let's go out one night, you know, at a bar. Anyway, it never happened. And then that night, he was going out. And he said to his friend, which is extremely, not who he is. And so unlike him, he's electrician is very salt of the earth. Straight one at, you know, really grounded, would never call himself intuitive. And he said to his mate, I've got a funny feeling that I'm going to meet the girl forever tonight. Which is not what he says. Yeah. Right. So he was going out and meeting girls. Is this the one? No, is this the one? No. Is this the one no. And then at two o'clock in the morning, he looks over at me. And I smile at him. And he goes, Oh my God, she's the one. And so he thinks this is just crazy. Yeah. So he's gonna he tries to invalidate it. So the first question he asks me, which is a such a bold question is do you have a boyfriend thinking that I would say yes. And then that would invalidate? Yeah, he's experience. And I said, No. And he thought, Oh, my God, she's the one. Anyway, we were talking. He said, What do you do? And I said, I said, I've just been working in HR. And he goes, I know a girl in in HR. Her name's bush. I said, Oh, I'm Joe Bush's boss was his boss. And that was his childhood sweetheart. And I was the girl that he was meant to meet. No way. Yes. Yes. It was crazy. Larry. Yes, it was absolutely crazy.

Jamie Stephens: 17:02

So why didn't you guys meet, like, originally, like she had planned like, it just never worked out.

Gisele Gambi: 17:07

I just think it just never happened. Hmm. It just never happened. How bizarre. That is bizarre. And it was one of those experiences like we went out the next night. And I remember having just sitting at a table having dinner with him. It was like we'd known each other forever. It was just one of those. Like, there was none of that awkwardness. The only awkwardness that I had was because he's very tall. And so when you put his arm around me, and I was walking with him, I felt like I was skipping along. I couldn't keep in tune with. It's like that was the only odd thing. Yeah. And you guys together ever since? Yeah. married for 18 years. 16 year old boy called Joel and a 11 year old girl

Jamie Stephens: 17:46

called Ruby Rose. So amazing. Yeah.

Gisele Gambi: 17:49

Yeah. And he's been, I mean, I guess this is also important for your podcast is that, you know, so he was really on the journey with me from that from the beginning there. And 2004 to 2011, the business was going I mean, I loved what I did absolutely love what I did. And I found that very natural. From a profitability, financial profitability point of view, it just paid the bills. That's just what it did. It was just enough, just enough. And then in then in 2000, and Ruby Rose in 2011. And then 12, and 13, I lost my confidence. For whatever reason, I lost my confidence. And I had a story that I couldn't sell. And so I made some pretty stupid decisions at the time, but perfect in the long run of partnering up with one company, not one company, I wouldn't say company, it was a guy with a vision, who had an incredible community, and he wanted me to kind of be their coach. Anyway, that didn't work. There was absolutely no money coming in there. And then the people that were in that community that were disgruntled. There were three of them and myself who decided to join forces, which is a really stupid decision to join force forces from a place of being disgruntled.

Jamie Stephens: 19:05

Yeah. So that was out as planned.

Gisele Gambi: 19:11

And that was that was the icing on the cake in all the worst of ways that I worked so hard that year, I put myself in all the most inauthentic places, and listened. So again, this is so important that it for your listeners listen to all of you know, we hired marketers, and we had advisors and basically, they were telling me that the way that I present myself and the languaging that I use is unacceptable and that I would need to change that in order to be received. So I did that. And what am I doing to myself, I'm saying to myself, you are not okay the way you are, you need to change and that is such an unloving, disrespectful dishonouring decision to make. So it's putting myself in all these positions and you know, pitching in the most inauthentic way. I, what happened there? Nothing, no business at all. And my poor body was riddled with anxiety. And my husband was saying to me, you know, the ship is sinking at home here financially, you have to give yourself a cut off day. And then we had a three a two day facilitation with, like 15 CEOs. And the reason why we were doing it was we wanted to prove ourselves to them, so that they would hopefully engage us. Again, the premise of that is so false, so wrong. Let me prove myself first, so that you like us. So you know where that's going to end, you know, there's not going to be any Happy Endings there. And I had a terror attack, which I'd never experienced before. When I was panic attack type, it was like worse than a panic attack. So like, I didn't even know what that was notating I was so anxious. I couldn't move it on. Normally, I couldn't move it on. Because normally I'll say who's anxious because I'm picking it up within myself. And then it goes, but it would not go. And then we had a break. And I was out with my colleagues. And I started like, shivering and my legs shaking, and my face is my jaw is shaking, and there's a hospital up the road, and I'm saying to them, I think I'm gonna have to go to hospital. Like I didn't know what was happening. Anyway, that was that was my body's saying to me, you are in the most incongruent place right now. And luckily, I saw that, right. And I listened to it. And I said to the guys, a few weeks down the track, I have to leave, which caused more chaos. But it was the perfect decision. And I then went through a couple of months of being really angry, and dark as well, I went through another hopeless and helpless moment, but this time, I got really angry. And I learned that anger held in held in the idea that there's a bigger picture unfolding is actually really powerful.

Jamie Stephens: 21:47

It's a higher emotion than despair, right? I mean, anger. Right?

Gisele Gambi: 21:51

Right. Because I got to own up to I was so being powerless. So being powerless, and so listening to everybody else. And so I took my power back. And that's another that's another story that, you know, to that end of 2013, to now, has been another massive game changer for me.

Jamie Stephens: 22:10

Yeah, well, let's go into it. Because I mean, it sounds like you are off to a great start. You had recovered from your, your personal tragedy, and your divorce and the loss of your son, all of those things, and you were really kind of on a new path. And then things were going good until they weren't. And then you fell into like the familiar hat like patterns and stuff again, that's what it sounds like. So how, how did you break free from that cycle? Again? I mean, I know you said you took back your power, but it was it just the recognition, like, Hey, I've been here before.

Gisele Gambi: 22:46

No, it was different. It was different. And I'm and I'm so grateful for it. Now. It was horrible at the time, right when I was experiencing that. But um, but it was necessary. It was necessary to experience that amount of intense contraction. And I'll share why. So again, I it was my intuition. Again, that was the catalyst. And, you know, maybe some of your listeners might be saying, but I'm not intuitive. Everybody is everybody is they just have to get present. That's all. They just have to get present to how they're feeling and log off that rational mind and allow experiences to feed them to feed them. Because life is always supporting us. Yeah. So I was going for a run. And as I'm going for a run, I hear the message, stop and meditate. Like, there's just in my mind, hear the message, stop and meditate. And I'm like, what, I'm going for a run. I'm busy. I know, like, this is not the time to stop and meditate. I thought alright, so I found a bench. It's kind of like my favorite bench because it was really the moment that changed everything. I closed my eyes, and just, you know, just got still even feel emotional. Just back into that memory now. And I saw in my mind's eye, I just saw everything that had happened. It was like I thought I needed to do this hearing over here. I thought I needed to be this over there. Basically, what I saw was I saw someone who absolutely loved what they did, like I love my coaching was my everything. But the way in which I sold was everything was everything that were not meant to do. And I saw I've done it all like I had and I've invested so much money listening to everybody else. I've done it all and I and I just had this moment of reverence actually, for that process. It was like, wow, I know what other people go through. But I'm kind of a little bit more ahead of what other people go through because they they're still thinking that that's what they need to be and do. And it was like, Wow, maybe I'm not here for everybody. Maybe I'm just here for people who are mirrors of me. And so I was I got to that point of freedom again, right. I was no longer victim. So you can see the pattern here. Yes, that Yep, taking response. ability. So I ran home and I love to write. And actually, I had been writing on Facebook since Facebook began, just for fun, just to share what I write, I close my eyes, and I just started writing. And then I read it. And I thought, Oh, wow, that's actually something that would be quite valuable for people. And for the first time and never was before I thought, what if I attached a six month program to that? Because I know, everything you're not supposed to be and do. And so I put that up on Facebook. And then there wasn't, there was a moment of like, you know, what, are people going to think of me? Because I've never done that before? And then I thought, I don't actually can I swear? Yeah, I mean, give a shit. I don't give a shit any more of what people think of me. I've spent enough time there. I don't need to do that anymore. And I was supposed to go to a networking event that night? Because that's what you do. Right? That's what you do.

Jamie Stephens: 25:55

That's what they tell you to do.

Gisele Gambi: 25:57

And I never liked it. I never, I never felt good in these places. And I thought I'm not going to do I'm not gonna go there. Right. Anyway, that night, I had two people message me on Messenger from that advertisement. And one of them is slightly new. And the other one I did not know. And through face simply through Facebook Messenger and me being present with them, and intuitive and feeling them out. I signed up two people, those two people for a six month program that at that time, I decided I'd put a$10,000 figure on and that was done. Just like that, just like that. You know, that was again, talk about being a game changer. And that and the ball kept rolling that way. Like that's, I really remembered that you know, who I am in coaching was intuitive. Because I'm such a feeler, I can feel things, and I can kind of know things about people. I just need to be that in the sales process. That's all. Yeah, some people will love that. And some people won't.

Jamie Stephens: 26:59

And that's okay. Exactly. Your people will love it. That's right. And your people will feel it. And that's, that's the difference. And you know, I think as we're learning and growing, we tend to give away so much of our power in the process just by being a student. And you really have to make that switch of, okay, I know the tools, and I know the rules. And now I'm gonna break them. Yeah, like, you kind of have to learn them and go through that phase and like, kind of pay your dues kind of thing. But then it's just like, oh, okay, I understand kind of, like what you were trying to do here, and I don't like it. So I mean, but just getting back to that authentic, authentic, like, I'm here to help people I'm here to share, I am here to you know, this is me all of the Take it or leave it, I don't give a shit. If you don't like me, you know, I mean, like, whenever you get to that space, it's just like, very freeing. It is, yeah, he's

Gisele Gambi: 27:53

unprofitable. And you know, what, not long after that, you know, I woke up one morning with these words, which then became like, one of the foundational premises of the coaching authenticity is profitable, in many ways, not just financially in in many ways. And financially.

Jamie Stephens: 28:11

I just found the episode title. Great. Authenticity is profitable. Yes. Yes. It's I mean, that's such a great message. I mean, just being yourself and doing that. Just now, I know that you also have a podcast, and that is called the intuitive pool. Did I just Yes, that right, I think okay. Yes. No. So I one of the episodes that I just loved, that you shared about in our group, and then I just went and cried my eyes out, then my my daughter listened to it, and she cried. It was the episode on period poverty. Oh, wow. Can you share that story and a little bit about your podcast and kind of the impact that that has had in your life?

Gisele Gambi: 29:01

Oh, wow. That I mean, talk about choosing the most perfect episode to talk about. So I'll start there. And then maybe I can talk about how the podcast came about because I was never in the plan similar to breaking up with corporate it was never in the plan. Never did I think I'd be podcasting. Yeah. So there's a beautiful 18 year old girl called Alia siringo. Her mom is called Susan nap. And Susan had listened to the podcast and messaged me and said, You know, I love the podcast and I think you would enjoy my story. So I met her and she was incredible. And the podcast episode that I interviewed her is called forgiving the unforgivable. So Susan has four children. If I am remembering correctly, two of them are adopted from Kenya. Alia is one of those children whose adopted from Kenya might be wrong. In setting the numbers, but at least certainly adopted from Kenya. And when. So you can imagine with a title called forgiving the unforgivable you can imagine what what they went through, there was a lot of chaos. So Susan and I connected really deeply because she too, came out of victim mode. And through her own process, we were both students of a, an incredible cookbook called A Course in Miracles. And a miracle is simply it's a win win, we think, you know, Jesus is that we all can create miracles. It's a shift in perception, from fear to love for when it's so whenever we have a shift in perception, from fear to love, there is absolutely a miracle that happens. Even the stories that I've shared with my business, all of them have been shifts in perception from fear to love. Susan has taught her children she's such an incredible mother, from the very get go, you know, how we talk about what do you be what what do you want to be when you grow up? She says, Who do you want to be now? And she says, How do you want to contribute to the world now. And you know, her kids are like, as young as seven, right up to I think the eldest is 21. So I find that I find that incredible. So when Susan was given an inheritance from her auntie, instead of buying a house and doing what people do, or going on holidays, she decided to build two schools in the slums in Kenya. And, Alia, after that happened, Alia, went through a really dark time, where she felt that there was no place for her in the world. She went to visit one of the schools. And she knew what a great opportunity is for the kids to go to school, because just think about it, they're in the slums, right? So it's just this incredible, precious opportunity. But what she was noticing was that the girls weren't turning up. She couldn't understand why. So when she inquired, she realized, it's because when they have their periods, they don't have the sanitary means like we do to go to school. And so she then realized that she could have been one of these girls had she not been adopted. And so her purpose for now was born. And her purpose is to reduce or to add money more Gee, sorry, to eradicate period poverty in Kenya, and then in other African countries. And so what they do is that her siblings and her raised, they make things and they sell them and they raise money. That's one of the ways and up until recently, they have employed a couple of seamstresses, which has a ripple effect even in that because they they're guaranteed employment for a few months, and then their children can go to school. And last year, they sent over seven 700 sanitary packs to the girls. Which means that the 100 girls can go to school for the next couple of years. And when she was telling me, it was quite a quite a harrowing conversation if you like, because when she was telling me about reality over there, I want her to feel like apologizing but that the other hand, I don't feel like apologizing because this is reality. They they shove newspaper between their legs, right? And then they don't have bathrooms like we do, they have to go to the bathroom in a slum. So they go to the bathrooms in the slum, and there's men, they're standing there with pads, pulling their pants down, right in exchange for sets, just so if you think about the impact that Alia has, it's it's just phenom phenomenal impact, phenomenal impact. So I so Susan had suggested that I interview earlier which I had the privilege of doing I shared that episode, and I really had no expectation of anything happening from that episode. Other than I thought, and I and I spoke this out loud because she's an she's a wonderful speaker. And I said, you know, for the people that listening, maybe you'd like to bring her into your business and she can speak to your business. That was the way that I thought the ball would roll. But what happened was one of my clients who's a dear friend of mine, messaged me, she wanted to make an anonymous anonymous donation, but the link that I'd put in the show notes wasn't working. So that's how I know it was her. They got the right link, she made the donation and then I get a message from Susan that afternoon saying oh my god, Giselle. We've just received that $1,000 donation, actually, that was said that that donation was this will support 100 girls for the next three years. That's what it was that yes, yeah. That was that one. My friend. client was just blown away. You know, the words that she's used because now this has ignited her purpose. She said how can how grand can a grand be? How grand can a grand debate right now she's actually go ahead. And

Jamie Stephens: 34:50

I mean, it's just like, you know, $1,000 to change the lives of 100 Girls, right? There's just So much power in that, and there's just so much power and you just choosing to listen to her story, and then her daughter story and the story of these girls in Kenya and just the ripple effect that that creates. I mean, it is so powerful. I mean, the platform and the possibility that is available to us, that just wasn't the case. You know, not too long ago. And, I mean, it's just, it floors me, it amazes me. I mean, it brings tears to my eyes, just thinking of the power that we have, and the power that we have to really, really change lives. I mean, that it's just amazing. I love that story. I mean, I hate it. I love it. I mean, it's

Gisele Gambi: 35:49

I understand, and you know, the common denominator that I've realized, every time something like this has happened. It's always because it's been a consequence of following the intuitive pool every time. But there's no rational planning here. Right? There was no strategizing it was every time it was falling into the pool. And you don't even know where it's gone since then.

Jamie Stephens: 36:11

Yeah, tell us the update, because that's been like six weeks or something since I think it aired somewhere around there. Two things

Gisele Gambi: 36:19

happening. One of them. I received a message from Susan. Yesterday, actually, Oh, wow. And she said that they're about to be interviewed on a really popular, and it's a really high quality program on television, where they really get into the, you know, they get into the, the nuts and bolts of life, like the hard nuts and bolts of life. And they have really honest and challenging conversations. And so they're now going to be sharing their story on this program called Insight. And I asked Susan, I said, because she was thanking me, and I said, How is this related to the podcast? And she said, by interviewing her that that day and becoming present with her forgiving the unforgivable, that released a massive block within herself, that has then created this opportunity. So that's one and she was like, Do you don't wish she said, Actually, you will understand how big this is for us, like this is big, she'll be on national television. So who knows what will happen from there. The other thing that's happened is I have a, again, a really dear friend and peer. She has an Ozzy lady who lives in Kenya, who is a director of a children's home of 40, orphaned or abandoned kids. And she listened to the episode. And she now has a vision, where she wants the kids to start making the sanitary packs. Not only do they now learn to contribute, and to learn about period poverty, and also for the boys to have respect for girls, which is massive. But they also get inspired by Alia story of how

Jamie Stephens: 37:59

can you help today are who can you serve today?

Gisele Gambi: 38:03

Imagine the amount of sanitary packs they're going to be making. So it just keeps on going. It just it just keeps on at the ripple just keeps on going and going and going and going.

Jamie Stephens: 38:12

So if someone is looking to practice their own, listening to their own intuition and hearing that pool, what is the suggestion you have for people to really get started with that? Meditate? Because we I mean, like you said, we all have it? Yeah, we, I mean, it's part of who being a human being.

Gisele Gambi: 38:31

I know. And I think when people connect intuition with being a psychic, that's when we that's when we think we don't have it.

Jamie Stephens: 38:40

Yeah, they're like, Oh, I can't do

Gisele Gambi: 38:41

that. And I can't even like if somebody says to me, Are You Psychic? Like I can't even define myself as that because even I feel that's way over there. Yeah. So we're all connected. We're all connected. And we, so the biggest practice that I can recommend is meditation. Meditation, meditation, meditation. And, you know, I say this many times, if I didn't meditate, I would just simply survive. Like, I get so much from meditation, I get so much. And meditation doesn't just mean sitting cross legged, with your eyes closed, thinking about nothing, having no thoughts, because I think that's where people get tripped up to. I can't meditate because I can't stop my thoughts. I have a lot of thoughts when I meditate, have a lot of inspiration when I meditate. And also meditation, you know, you know, when you're in the shower, and you have those thoughts. We're going for a walk. And you have those thoughts. It's just when we log off that rational mind that, you know, that has wants to tick off the things on the list and organize like, yes, we absolutely need that mind. But we don't need to lead from that mind. Yeah.

Jamie Stephens: 39:49

That's how we've kind of gotten to places where we are today to where it's, it's more of the just checking the boxes instead of really listening to Have what we desire and what you know, is part of the best and highest good for people and yourself. I mean, because it's all intertwined. Yeah. Whenever you just keep pushing it down and being a victim to circumstance, like you're not open to the lessons, and I think that that's so big. I love it.

Gisele Gambi: 40:22

I think it's everything right? Yes, everything. I think you and I still on the same page there. Yeah, yeah.

Jamie Stephens: 40:29

Awesome. Well, just though I have had so much fun with this conversation. If people want to learn more about you, your coaching your podcast, can you tell everybody where they can find you? And then I will be sure to link them up in the show notes.

Gisele Gambi: 40:42

Yes, thank you. So go to the intuitive poor podcast on Apple podcast, and Spotify. We'd love you to come and listen to those episodes. And there is there is an episode called following the intuitive pool. So that might be interesting. If you want to learn more about connecting with your intuition, and then my website, www dot, Giselle gambi.com. Today you can connect with me there. And also feel free to Facebook friend me. I'm a big Facebook. I'm so grateful to Facebook, I wouldn't have a business if it weren't for Facebook. I'm only just starting to get onto Instagram doing my best there. So feel free to friend me on facebook. GSL gambi. Yeah, that's awesome.

Jamie Stephens: 41:30

Okay, Giselle, thank you so much for your time today. I really appreciate everything and your story.

Gisele Gambi: 41:35

Thank you, Jamie. It's been such a pleasure. Thank you loved being with you, too.